Television 2013

Posted by: Rita

Television 2013 - 12/29/12 11:43 AM

Did you know there are 22 new shows debuting in the first three months of 2013? Twenty-two. Unfortunately, most of them sound pretty crappy. There are only five I'm going to take a look at:


Banshee (Cinemax, Friday, Jan. 11)
Master thief assumes the identity of the sheriff in Banshee, PA, as a cover for his criminal activities.

Boston's Finest (TNT, Wednesday, Feb. 27)
Another backstage at the police dept. show, but this one sounds good.

Continuum (Syfy, Monday, Jan. 14)
Canadian series set in Vancouver 2077, a group of eight terrorists known as Liber8 (oh, clever, yeah) escape execution by traveling back in time to 2012 along with one LEO who must track them down. At least it shows SyFy is still trying.

The Following (Fox, Monday, Jan. 21)
This is THE one I want to see. I'll just copy TV Guide's description: "This scary, blood-pumping thriller stars Kevin Bacon as retired FBI agent Ryan Hardy, who's called back to the force when Joe Carroll (James Purefoy), a college professor-turned-serial killer Hardy helped put in prison, escapes and begins killing again. The problem-slash-premise of the series? While in jail, Carroll has recruited a legion of followers in the outside world who begin committing copycat crimes to coincide with his escape. Seriously: Don't watch this one alone."

Monday Mornings (TNT, Monday, Feb. 4)
Another medical drama, but one that might be worth watching because of the people involved. A David E. Kelley production, it stars Alfred Molina, Ving Rhames, and Jamie Bamber (Apollo on BSG).
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 12/30/12 01:42 AM

Yep, The Following is definitely the one that stands out. Buzz about that show started months ago.

There's one other show that might strike sparks. Remember the BBC show House of Cards with Ian Richardson as the deliciously wicked politician Francis Urquhart? It's been remade in an American setting, with Kevin Spacey playing a corrupt congressman named Francis/Frank Underwood. An interesting twist is that it will be avaiable only online -- at Netflix. Starting date is Feb. 1st.
Posted by: Andrew

Re: Television 2013 - 12/30/12 09:38 AM

"You might very well think that, but I couldn't possibly comment"
Posted by: Kay

Re: Television 2013 - 12/30/12 12:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Andrew
"You might very well think that, but I couldn't possibly comment"


MY comment is that it almost certainly will NOT be as good as the original...and don't I remember a scene in that one of a "young king" at Maggie Thatcher's funeral?
Posted by: David Dvorkin

Re: Television 2013 - 12/30/12 04:02 PM

So other characters can still refer to him as FU. At least they kept that.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 12/31/12 07:05 PM

No, of course it won't be as good as the original; remakes never are. Reminds me of a line in the movie The Odd Couple. Walter Matthau was holding a note left for him by his housemate, and he said it took him 20 minutes to figure out the signature "FU" stood for "Felix Unger".
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 01/16/13 07:02 PM

Did anyone watch Cinemax's new series Banshee? The premise sounded good, but I couldn't work up any real interest in it. Tony Soprano was a far worse person than Banshee's bad guy hero, but at least he kept you interested.

Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 01/17/13 09:32 AM

Frankly, I've had my fill of unshaven leading men, and this one's no different. Going unshaven doesn't make him look cool or tough or however it's supposed to make him look. It just makes him look scruffy.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 01/17/13 03:15 PM

And he walks funny.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 01/18/13 01:08 AM

Ha. Banshee looks like a soup mix of everything TV audiences are supposed to want in a show -- sex, violence, rough language, moral ambiguity, crime, fast action, and what passes for cynicism (but isn't very believable). Real tough, see. The original premise does indeed have promise, but the execution is more like throwing everything at the viewers to see what sticks.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 01/21/13 05:15 PM

The Following starts tonight, on Fox.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 01/22/13 02:29 PM

Meh.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 01/22/13 05:53 PM

Really? I thought it was scary...the thought of that guy out there who could get in any place he wanted and kill right under the police's nose. And so much blood!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 01/23/13 09:50 AM

It was intense, but not as much as Rita's quote indicated. I thought it was OK.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 01/23/13 06:05 PM

I didn't. So far it's just slice-and-dice for grown-ups. Too many clichés, starting with the burned-out alcoholic ex-cop who's called back to duty because of special circumstances. The body count is higher than on other shows...is that what's called "original" in the biz? How many people died in that pilot episode? I lost count.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 02/06/13 07:42 PM

Did anyone watch the new-directions, revamped Smash? It looked about the same to me.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 02/07/13 12:19 PM

To me too. And Karen still takes a breath in the middle of a musical phrase.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 02/08/13 02:26 PM

I thought it was OK. But I'm going to have trouble believing a Broadway musical can grow out of one tune overheard in a bar.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 02/08/13 06:10 PM

Two new medical shows this week. Monday Mornings is so called because that's when the hospital staff meets to review the previous week's cases. The first episode started with a doctor getting fired and ended with another being reprimanded. No last-minute solutions on this show! The other medical show probably won't be around long, because the pilot episode of Do No Harm drew the smallest audience in the history of the four major broadcast networks. It's a Jekyll/Hyde story. Every night at 8:25, the hero doctor turns into someone else, an evil version of himself. The second episode showed the good self dealing with the consequences of some illegal activity the bad self was involved in. I thought it was pretty good.

Tonight season 2 of Touch begins. I hope it's better than season 1.
Posted by: Andrew

Re: Television 2013 - 02/09/13 11:39 AM

Just a note on what's on on BBC4 these days. All three of ''The Killing''s (in Danish with English subtitles) are now finished, and there won't be any more. The ending of series 3 was rather ambiguous. Series 2 of ''Borgen'' finished last week, and I gather that series 3, apparently currently showing in Denmark, will also be the last. It's interesting to see some people in either of those series popping up in the other - indeed, two out of three of Lund's partners in ''The Killing'', who both met sticky ends, popped up in ''Borgen'', one of them the Prime Minister's husband and the other a television supremo. And the (different) Prime Minister in ''The Killing 3'' turned up as the father of a Danish soldier killed in Afghanistan in ''Borgen 2''! Maybe there aren't many actors in Denmark.

In other news, ''The Bridge'' (only series 1 so far seen in Britain) looks as if there will be another two series. And this evening, a new series of ''Spiral'' (aka ''Engrenages'', in French with English subtitles), is starting this evening. Yippee!
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 02/12/13 05:11 PM

So what's Spiral? I don't remember reading about that.

Westminster Dog Show started last night, concludes tonight. As usual, I failed to pick a single group winner.
Posted by: Andrew

Re: Television 2013 - 02/12/13 06:06 PM

Rita: Spiral can be found at IMDB (it's been around for a few years):
http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0477507/?ref_=sr_1

The first episode in the current series is pretty grim. As with the previous series, it involves immigrants, corrupt lawyers, judges with secrets...
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 02/12/13 11:07 PM

It's been around since 2005, IMDB says. Probably the only way we'll get to see it is if somebody makes an American version, yuck.

Rita -- same with me; I've never picked a group winner, much less a Best in Show.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 02/13/13 10:44 AM



This year's winner...Banana Joe, an Affenpinscher.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 02/13/13 06:22 PM

He really does have two eyes, you know.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 02/13/13 07:31 PM

I was wondering about that.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 02/14/13 08:46 AM

Multibreed dog shows aren't popularity contests. Once Best in Breed has been chosen for each breed, then it becomes merely a matter of how the judges feel about each entrant. How can one really say, "this Affenpinscher is a better Affenpinscer than that Old English Sheepdog is an Old English Sheepdog?"

Minor factoid: I understand that working Old English Sheepdogs commonly are shorn so they don't have to put up with all that hair.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 02/14/13 08:52 AM

Multibreed dog shows aren't popularity contests. Once Best in Breed has been chosen for each breed, then it becomes merely a matter of how the judges feel about each entrant. How can one really say, "this Affenpinscher is a better Affenpinscer than that Old English Sheepdog is an Old English Sheepdog?"

Minor factoid: I understand that working Old English Sheepdogs commonly were shorn each year with the sheep, so they didn't have to put up with all that hair all summer.

Another minor factoid: Some are botn tailless, but some with short tails, which was amputated. It is now illegal throughout Europe to dock dog's tails. I don't know how these two items can be reconciled.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 02/14/13 10:41 AM

The new Survivor...I suppose it was too much to hope for three good games in a row. Why do those people even listen to that pretentious, self-important Phillip? And in a Fans and Favorites game, how did Francesca qualify as a favorite when she was the first one voted off in her first game? Who remembers her?
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 02/14/13 03:36 PM

Most likely she's the producers' favorite, not the audience's. A sacrificial lamb, someone tossed in to give Phillip a chance to show his true colors. I don't much cotton to this fans vs. favorites competition; I'd rather see all new players. One exception, I'm glad to see Cochran again. He's not only amiable, he's the most intelligent one on the show, and that includes Jeff Probst. But intelligence isn't highly valued in this game; Andrea was almost voted off "because she's smart."
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 02/19/13 02:27 PM

Why don't the players ever learn that you don't vote off people perceived as threats before the merge? You keep as strong a tribe as possible until then. One of Phillip's arguments against Francesca was that she was a threat. How could anybody know that? She was never around long enough to prove herself one way or the other. But those dumbbunnies listened to him, and she was gone...and these are the experienced players. Phillip simply didn't like Francesca and put the satisfying of his gigantic ego before the best interests of the tribe. Frankly, I hope the fans pulverize the favorites.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 02/21/13 01:56 PM

If you didn't watch the new show Cult...you didn't miss much.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 02/21/13 04:11 PM

Amen to that. What a mishmash.
Posted by: Kay

Re: Television 2013 - 02/21/13 08:40 PM

I'm sorry nobody else over here seems to be watching the world's highest class soap opera, Downton Abbey...it's worth it just to see Maggie Smith.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 03/12/13 08:09 PM

Two new cop shows I thought looked pretty good at first are turning out to be less than enthralling. Red Widow has the same basic premise as Mafia Doctor, an innocent forced to work with criminals. But after a promising pilot, Red Widow is already starting to look routine. Golden Boy has a new angle, the rise of a detective to Police Commissioner in only 7 years, the youngest Commissioner ever in New York City. It's not very compelling, though, and it should be. Maybe it's me...I just can't get into it.
Posted by: Mike

Re: Television 2013 - 03/13/13 07:32 AM

Rita, if you want a good cop show try Southland. Its the most realistic picture of police work on tv.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 03/13/13 10:28 PM

Odd coincidence, Mike -- I was about to mention Southland. I've seen only 4 or 5 episodes, late-night reruns on TNT. (Tonight's new episode hasn't started yet here.) But it's quite different from other cop series; the others show a team of detectives investigating one case for the full length of the episode, but Southland shows a number of different incidents each episode involving a number of police. There are two detectives, but most of the incidents involve patrol cops. It's a true ensemble show, and I'm glad to hear from Mike that it's accurate in its picture of police work.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 03/14/13 10:38 AM

Wow! I didn't log in here last night so I missed Southland, but you can bet I'll watch next week.

And Wow! again. I've never seen anyone go insane on Survivor before. But then, what can you expect of someone named Hantz? His entire tribe thought he was so unstable that they forfeited immunity just to vote him out...incredible.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 03/14/13 07:20 PM

The weird part is that all those things he said to Phillip are absolutely 100% true! I'm glad he called Phillip out on that juvenile business of giving everyone code names. It was one hell of a meltdown. I've never seen anyone self-destruct like that.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 03/14/13 11:39 PM

He went out the same way he came in, arrogant and shallow: "I am the author of my elimination!" Well, yes, but why brag about shooting yourself in the foot? Of course, he was trying to make it seem that it was his choice to leave, not Phillip's maneuvering that ousted him. But Jeff's holding Instant Tribal at the challenge site pretty much scotched that. Nevertheless, I'm pleased Brandon told Phillip off before making his exit.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 03/15/13 07:33 PM

Jeff Probst said in an interview that while Brandon was ranting, he was whispering into his mike for security to send back-up. Also, that shoulder massage he gave Brandon was not solely an attempt to relax him, but to give himself an edge if it did turn physical. He'd decided right away to hold Tribal right then and there, for if he didn't, Brandon would go back to the Favorites' camp and no good could come of that. All in all, Jeff handled it pretty well.

Did you ever wonder where the players go when they walk off into the darkness after being voted off? They meet with a psychologist. A psychologist was waiting for Brandon when he walked off in the direction Jeff pointed to.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/03/14/survivor-caramoan-jeff-probst-brandon-hantz-meltdown/
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 03/16/13 10:15 AM

Arrgghh! I missed it!
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 03/16/13 03:49 PM

It looked to me as if the shoulder massage was at least in part a nervous reaction on Jeff's part to a tense situation. It gave him something to do other than just stand there and listen to the vitriol pouring out of Brandon's mouth. But, yes, he did handle the situation well.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 03/21/13 08:34 PM

I've watched one episode of Southland now, and I see what you're talking about. It certainly does feel real, even without Mike to vouch for it. No background music helps, and the street people are all so believable. I need to get more familiar with the regular cast.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 03/24/13 11:08 PM

Does anyone else find the current TAR rather lame?
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 03/25/13 01:10 PM

Yes. Even the scorpion hunt couldn't pep things up.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 03/25/13 08:04 PM

No villains to hate, no heroes to root for. Bland. The hockey players aren't too bad, I guess. At least they can laugh at themselves.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 03/27/13 09:15 AM

I'm giving up on The Following. I don't think anyone in that show has a working brain. One example...Kevin Bacon is supposed to be protecting a woman in an isolated house. It's night, there are bad guys out there, shots have been fired. So what does he do? He goes out on a well-lighted porch to look around into the darkness. Perfect target. The only reason he isn't killed right there is that he's the star of the series. Phooey.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 03/27/13 05:44 PM

This last episode is full of the kind of gaps in logic that were standard for 24, but that show managed to keep you engaged just the same. A more charismatic cast, for one thing.

It was good to see Jamey Sheridan as McGee's father in NCIS. He must be recovered from his Bell's palsy.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 04/02/13 07:14 PM

The Following looks as if it's trying to be the new 24, depending on inconsistencies and wild improbabilities to keep the action grinding on. I think Rita's right -- no working brains in view.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 04/03/13 07:53 AM

A&E is showing a series called Bates Motel, which could be subtitled "How Norman Got That Way". He's 17 and the mother (Vera Farmiga) is very much alive. It shows on Monday nights, but since it's A&E, there are repeats scattered through the week.

AMC changed its corporate mind and renewed The Killing, which comes with a promise that this time the mystery will be solved by the end of the season. It's scheduled to start in a couple of months.
Posted by: Andrew

Re: Television 2013 - 04/03/13 09:35 AM

Is that The Killing 2 or The Killing 3, Rita? Presumably it's still taking place in, uh, Oregon? Idaho? Canada? Somewhere up that way?
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 04/03/13 05:58 PM

It's season 3 and we're still in Oregon. Here's what EW.com says:
AMC’s back-from-the-dead crime show The Killing has a return date. Season 3 will debut on Sunday, June 2 at 8 p.m. with a two-hour premiere.

The rain-and-murder drama series brings back stars Mireille Enos (Sarah Linden) and Joel Kinnaman (Stephen Holder) along with new cast members Peter Sarsgaard, Elias Koteas and Amy Seimetz. The story picks up a year after the close of the Rosie Larsen case with Sarah no longer working as a detective. But when her ex-partner Stephen’s search for a runaway girl leads him to discover a gruesome string of murders that connects to one of her previous murder investigations, she is drawn back into the job.

AMC declined to renew The Killing after its weak second season performance. But after Fox TV Studios shopped the title around to other outlets, including Netflix, and both sides got back to the negotiating table and worked out a deal for another season.
Only Linden and Holder are retained from the original cast. Everyone else is new.
Posted by: Andrew

Re: Television 2013 - 04/03/13 06:18 PM

Well, the Swedish Season 3 opened with a ship in harbour from which a seaman escaped but was killed on his way to land. Is there a shipping line that's based in Oregon?
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 04/03/13 10:27 PM

Yes, lots...some Asian, some European, and even some American. Oregon has a couple of dozen port cities. Didn't you once say Linden was working at some dead-end job at the beginning of the 3rd season, Swedish version?
Posted by: Andrew

Re: Television 2013 - 04/04/13 04:53 AM

Yes, she'd more or less been demoted and was thinking of retiring. But then her old boss contacted her and hey presto, there she was, back in action - a daughter of an owner of a big shipping line had disappeared...
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 04/11/13 05:20 PM

Hannibal,ugh. This show managed to gross me out without using any conventional gross-out scenes. That's an accomplishment of sorts, but hardly one to be proud of.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 04/11/13 08:05 PM

That is so true. The question is who is the sicker, the cannibal or the FBI profiler?
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 04/14/13 11:13 PM

TAR had a nice little life lesson tonight: Never roll your cheese down a snow hill.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 04/22/13 01:18 PM

Has anyone been watching Da Vinci's Demons? I never knew Leonardo was such a smartass. But the Borgias are back in all their sleazy glory, and we don't have to listen to Phillip on Survivor any more. That's a bright side.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 04/22/13 03:41 PM

If Jeff ever brings Phillip back again, I'm going to write him a really nasty letter.

Did you know there's a French version of Survivor? It's called Koh-Lanta, but the entire 16th season was canceled when a contestant died of cardiac arrest following a strenuous challenge. Then a week later the doctor who attended him committed suicide.

Koh-Lanta
Posted by: Andrew

Re: Television 2013 - 04/28/13 06:27 PM

BBC4 has been showing yet another Scandinavian thriller series. I've so far seen four 90-minute shows based on two novels by Arne Dahl, whose real name seems to be Jan Arnald. Compared with Borgen, The Killing and The Bridge, it's not terribly good.

An elite team of miscellaneous people with different skills have been gathered together to solve (so far) two serious crimes - the second is about ... The Kentucky Killer! Unfortunately, things move either very slowly or very fast, and there is some unnecessary comedy humour plus some nasty modus operandi stuff by the villains (pliers, sort-of-crucifixion, etc.) Also, I find the white-upon-white subtitles quite difficult to read, which wasn't a problem with the previous series. Oh well, can't win 'em all!
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 04/29/13 06:14 PM

The Kentucky Killer! Oh my. A name chosen for its alliteration, no doubt. Much more forceful than the Minnesota Murderer or the Alabama Assassin.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 05/04/13 06:33 PM

I just got around to watching the Good Wife season finale...and POW! I never expected Alicia to leave Lockhart/Gardner, once she made partner. Of course, the firm has been problem-ridden from the beginning and not always ethical, but the real reason she's leaving is to remove herself from temptation. Poor Will. It's a smart move on Alicia's part.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 05/05/13 12:35 AM

Moi, I'm not so sure about that. I'd trust Cary about as far as I could throw him. And what about that $250,000 buy-in that Alicia paid for her Lockhart-Gardner partnership? She doesn't have that kind of money to throw away.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 05/06/13 10:46 AM

Her move will benefit Peter in one way. It will defuse any charges of semi-nepotism that are bound to arise if the new judge he appoints is his wife's law partner. But that wasn't a consideration in making her choice. She's just running away from a situation she can't handle.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 05/07/13 10:42 AM

I didn't see the last few seconds of the show, a disservice rendered by my DVR. It stopped recording just before the end of the show, and I didn't catch the last scene after she opened the door. I have now caught up on exactly what she said at the very end.

She hasn't been living with Peter, has she? Her situation has been one of conflict all along, what with the affair with Will. I know she can continue the practice of law (a notable example of a governor's wife as lawyer was, of course, Hilary Clinton, who was probably the highest earning lawyer in Arkansas before he ran for President in 1992.)
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 05/07/13 01:07 PM

Alicia and Peter have been living apart, but now they'll be living even farther apart. She'll be living in Chicago and he'll be in the governor's mansion in Springfield...I assume there is a governor's mansion? Anyway, if Diane does get her judgeship, Will will be left with no one but David Lee to run the firm. The other partners don't do anything except show up for partners' meetings.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 05/07/13 06:44 PM

Illinois has a governor's mansion of sorts. It's a historical building and the ground floor is like a museum open to the public. The governor's family lives in an apartment on the second floor which is not very roomy, I've heard. When Rod Blagojevich was in office, he lived in Chicago and commuted to Springfield in a state-owned plane. But I'm sure Peter won't want to imitate Blagojevich, who is currently residing in a federal prison in Colorado (for trying to sell Obama's vacated Senate seat plus a couple dozen other illegal dealings).

Edited to ask is everyone satisfied with the winners of TAR?
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 05/08/13 10:15 AM

I was satisfied with the winners. I grew to dislike Max, the condescending little twerp. I'm sorry the country singers didn't make the final three, but the moms were OK and the hockey players were definitely OK.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 05/08/13 07:31 PM

Yes, the hockey players were the right winners, but I feel sorry for Katie (and not for coming in second!).
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 05/09/13 12:32 AM

Yes, the right guys won, but don't you think this race was rather bland? It's become mechanical; the excitement is gone.

Survivor -- poor Brenda. The minute she gave her reward to the losers, she was a goner; we all know how far gratitude goes in this game. The dynamics between Brenda and Dawn has been interesting as a sort of role-reversal -- the weepy, semi-hysterical older woman being looked after and comforted by the younger, naïve woman. How will Dawn fare on her own now?
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 05/10/13 07:41 PM

I was pulling for Dawn when this one started, but all the crying and emotionalism and falling apart over every little thing that happens...now I just wish they'd vote her out. I'm tired of the histrionics.

Bad news. Southland has been canceled.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 05/10/13 11:22 PM

Oh, that is bad news. When I first started watching Southland in late-night repeats, Lucy Liu was still on the show. A security camera caught her by herself trying to arrest a man three times her size. He beat the crap out of her. The security tape was shown at the station house, not just to humiliate her but for its unspoken message: Wait for back-up, even if it means losing the collar. Those were strong images, and they're stuck in my head. I'm sorry the show has been cancelled.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 05/11/13 09:02 AM

Liu, of course, is still on TV; I find the dialogue in Sherlock goes by too fast to understand, so I don't watch it, but I did see the end the other evening; evidently Irene Adler has turned up again.

Speaking of Adler; who write the short series of books starring her as the heroine?
Posted by: Mike

Re: Television 2013 - 05/11/13 07:15 PM

I'm sorry Southland is gone too, it wsa the only realistic police show on TV.
Posted by: Andrew

Re: Television 2013 - 05/12/13 04:39 AM

Pete, Carole Nelson Douglas seems to be who you mean. Wikipedia has a section on her reappearances: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irene_Adler#Later_appearances
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 05/12/13 01:57 PM

Mike, I'm kind of surprised you watch police shows. I'd think you'd had enough of that during the day.
Posted by: Mike

Re: Television 2013 - 05/12/13 06:02 PM

I don't watch them, I just sample the new ones to see if they are anywhere close to getting it right. Southland is the only police show I returned to and I didn't watch it every week, it depended on the kind of day I had.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 05/12/13 11:20 PM

COCHRAN...yeah! A smart, articulate winner! Good on you, man!
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 05/13/13 07:32 AM

Oh, yes, that was a well-deserved win! And it was unanimous for Cochran...Dawn's playing the Mommy card didn't win her a single vote. I think that was the best final tribal council the show has ever had. What a surprise Sherri the Cipher turned out to be, not only a self-made millionaire in her own right but also squashing poor dim Erik like a bug. This was a good game.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 05/13/13 08:45 AM

I thought Cochran had made a mistake when he kept Dawn and voted Eddie out, but he knew what he was doing. For one thing, the other two "amigos" would have voted for Eddie, not him. For another, Dawn had offended a lot of people but Eddie hadn't. I liked Cochran's characterization of Eddie as a 23-year-old chauvinistic idiot. It was a good win.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 05/13/13 03:13 PM

Cochran was still playing the game right through the final council; he was never on the defensive the way the two women were. Look at the way he handled Malcolm, who asked what Cochran had that he didn't that put Cochran in the final three instead of himself. Cochran's answer of "insecurity" (the way it made him pay careful attention to everybody's reactions, etc.) was followed by what was almost a throwaway line to the effect that he could never imagine Malcolm feeling insecure. In other words -- you alpha, me omega. You think Malcolm didn't like hearing that? Cochran nailed his vote right then and there.

Cochran is going to make one helluva lawyer.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 05/14/13 12:03 PM

Yes he is. He's certainly been the most articulate player ever to appear on the show, and he obviously learned from his first experience playing the game. Nerd control...I love it. I hope Jeff Probst is over his love affair with the Hantz family, and that he'll not bring back Phillip or Malcolm again. It would be nice to see a game with all new faces.

James Spader is returning to series TV this fall, in a show called The Blacklist. His youthful good looks are just a memory now...thickening waist, pattern baldness. But the style is still there, and the presence. NBC has a couple of promotional videos: The Blacklist. The show has the look of a big-budget movie, as far as I could tell from the videos.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 05/14/13 04:42 PM

The Blacklist...maybe the rookie agent is his daughter?
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 05/14/13 07:43 PM

That was my first guess...but because it was, I'm a little dubious.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 05/16/13 07:16 PM

Here's a weird pairing of actors. CBS has a show in the fall line-up called The Crazy Ones, and the stars are Robin Williams and Sarah Michelle Geller.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 05/16/13 10:40 PM

Whaaaaat????
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 05/17/13 09:19 AM

My reaction exactly. Almost as ridiculous as Gellar and Alec Baldwin in Suburban Girl. I hope they're playing father and daughter.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 05/17/13 10:28 AM

They are, and they're both playing advertising executives. It's a half-hour sitcom.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 05/18/13 09:21 AM

The showbiz world is full of middle aged leading men playing with actresses 20 years their junior.

One of the truisms of showbiz casting is that, although men may generally show some age, women must not, and must look like they are in their 20s.

Sarah Michelle Gellar is 38, so she is no longer a spring chicken, although still very attractive. Williams is 62, so he's 24 years older than she. My first daughter wasn't born until I was 27.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 06/02/13 07:21 PM

The Killing makes its comeback tonight, this time with the promise that the case will be solved this season.
Posted by: Andrew

Re: Television 2013 - 06/03/13 03:20 AM

And Matt Smith is leaving Doctor Who at the end of the year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22745398.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 06/03/13 07:59 AM

Game of Thrones fans can say good-bye to Rob Stark. But readers of the novels were just waiting for the shoe to drop. A couple of Lannisters still to go, but I suppose that will be next year.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 06/03/13 01:10 PM

The Killing got off to a good start, moody and with strong incidentals, such as Sarah's interrupting her run to go back home for a gun, to kill that poor suffering cow -- shows both her compassion and her ability to take action.

I'm sorry Matt Smith is leaving Doctor Who; I'd hoped for at least one more season from him. He's my second favorite Doctor, after Tom Baker.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 06/05/13 09:11 PM

Burn Notice returns tomorrow night for its final season, in case anyone's watching it. I think Scribbler was the big fan here.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 06/06/13 06:51 PM

I forgot to mention Graceland debuts tonight as well. It's supposed to be a break from USA's usual boilerplate crime shows, and maybe it is. We'll see.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 06/09/13 06:01 PM

The Borgias has been cancelled.

Major Crimes returns tomorrow night, along with new series King and Maxwell, starring Jon Tenney with a different blond. Both on TNT.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 06/10/13 03:31 PM

Sorry to hear The Borgias is ending, but at $45 million per 10 episodes, it couldn't go on forever. Last night's episode had a powerful father/son scene (Jeremy Irons and François Arnaud) that the show has been building up to since the first season.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 06/11/13 01:14 AM

Yes, that was a strong scene. I've been growing increasingly impressed by Arnaud, whom I don't remember ever having seen before.

Well, King and Maxwell is glib and cliché-ridden, right down to guessing a computer password. I liked Jon Tenney better when he wasn't scruffy. Graceland might be okay, once it gets past its frat-boys-at-play bonding scenes. Major Crimes still has the Rusty blight, but the surprising thing about the first episode was the diminished nature of Sharon's role. Provenza looked more like the star than she did.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 06/11/13 10:01 PM

He did, didn't he? Brenda Leigh's a hard act to follow, but Sharon hasn't been given much to do. Most of what she did last season was concerned with "the Rusty blight" (I like that) and in this new episode there wasn't much sense of her running things. Curious.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 06/15/13 04:54 PM

Graceland still has some of that frat-boys element. I don't know about this one.

Tom Berenger is playing Sharon Raydor's estranged husband in three upcoming episodes. The only thing I've read about it says he bonds with Rusty. Gad.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 06/16/13 10:23 AM

I was wondering about Rayder's low-pitched purr. Evidently this is something that McDonnell puts on for the character. I watched one of her movies, and she didn't do that, just a lot of four letter words from a wheelchair.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 06/16/13 07:27 PM

What movie was that, Pete? Do you remember the title?
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 06/17/13 08:43 AM

The siege of Forli in The Borgias was cleverly done...I'm wondering if it really happened like that. This series pays more attention to detail than most movies.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 06/17/13 07:44 PM

I was wondering about that too. Google turned up lots of quarries in Forli, but I couldn't find anything about a Roman one under one tower of the castle.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 06/18/13 12:35 AM

Do you know that was the final episode?
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 06/18/13 07:00 AM

Mary McDonnell did Passion Fish in 1992. Admittedly, 21 years ago. She played a paraplegic.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 06/18/13 02:23 PM

Owwww, no! I thought there were two more episodes.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 06/18/13 04:21 PM

So did I. Barbara, are you sure?
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 06/18/13 10:46 PM

That's right, it was the final episode...and a lot of people are unhappy about it. Check this out: The Borgias .
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 06/24/13 10:30 AM

Did anyone watch Whodunnit last night?
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 06/24/13 05:12 PM

As much as I could stand.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 06/25/13 10:27 AM

Same here. Barbara, I bet you watched. What did you think?
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 06/26/13 12:46 AM

The same as you and Chris. It stank.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 06/29/13 10:28 PM

Dexter returns tomorrow night, for its final season. Can't wait to see how they wrap this one up.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 06/30/13 10:43 AM

Alas, I will miss this season of Dexter, too. Unfortunately, it conflicts with something else (can't remember what).
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 06/30/13 04:27 PM

Pete, you need a DVR.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 07/01/13 09:12 AM

Well, I'm already recording at that time, and watching another channel, so my DVR only can do two things at the same time.

I haven't been following Dexter, anyway.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 07/01/13 05:39 PM

Won't do, Pete. Each episode is shown four times the first week it's telecast, and two times the following week. So why don't you tell us the real reason you don't want to watch Dexter?
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 07/02/13 10:46 AM

I just never got into watching Dexter. I didn't get the movie channels until this year, anyway, and am still trying to watch some network shows (although it is very nice not having 5 commercial breaks in every episode!)
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 07/02/13 10:40 PM

Ah. Yes, it's better to watch it right from the beginning. Each season focuses on one case, but Dexter's personal life is continuous.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 07/10/13 06:48 PM

Bad news. Cote de Pablo is leaving NCIS...unspecific talk of contract disputes. She'll appear in a few episodes of the new fall season to wrap up Ziva David's story, but then she's GONE.

Edited to add The Bridge debuts tonight on F/X. This one could be a winner.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 07/18/13 06:23 PM

NCIS won't be the same without Ziva David. That group has been together for eight years; the only one that could be replaced without harming the group dynamic is Vance. Evidently the contract dispute was simply that Cote de Pablo didn't sign -- because she wanted to leave the show. But I wonder why. I haven't read anything about any big offer she's received to star in her own show or make movies or recordings. Or maybe she has and just hasn't talked about it yet. Everyone is being so dang polite! Of course there are rumors about why she's leaving, but that's to be expected, I guess. Ziva is going to be an impossible act to follow; I don't envy whoever replaces her.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 07/22/13 11:21 AM

Dexter. Wow.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 07/22/13 08:20 PM

Yeah. Wow.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 07/28/13 06:06 PM

I'd like to put in a word for Longmire. True, it's cowboys and Indians, but not like the old shoot'em-ups at all; they're mystery/crime stories. It's all low key, Caucasians and Cheyenne sharing a living space in Wyoming. Very strong sense of place. The stories are different from the usual TV crime fare. For instance, one episode featured the murder of an Indian who was a high-ranking member of the tribe's governing council. It turned out that by manipulation and tricks (calling an emergency meeting when some council members were out of town), he was able to push through a new law raising the percentage of Cheyenne blood required to be a recognized member of the tribe. The result of that new law was that sixty tribe members were disenfranchised, and the result of THAT was that the take from the new casino wouldn't have to be divided among so many people. Sheriff Longmire investigated in his quiet way (I've never heard him raise his voice), learning a little bit at a time why the Indian was killed. Good episode.

A&E, Mondays.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 07/29/13 11:10 AM

Yeah, that was a good one. So was the one about cattle rustling, modern style. One of the characters said something like "Everybody thinks cattle rustling is a joke. It ain't a joke. It ruins people's lives." I like flashy high-tech adventure stories, and Longmire is just the opposite of that...and I like it, a lot. The terrain in the show is so rugged that if they didn't have computers and cell phones and TV sets, you'd think you were back in the days of Wyatt Earp.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 07/29/13 05:22 PM

Well. I guess I'll be watching Longmire tonight.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 08/01/13 05:57 PM

Well, I watched, and I need to see another episode or two to get all the characters straightened out. But I can see the appeal of the show. More later.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 09/21/13 04:02 PM

Did anyone watch Last Tango in Halifax?
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 09/21/13 05:32 PM

Loved him, couldn't stand her.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 09/23/13 08:44 AM

Blacklist starts tonight, NBC.
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 09/23/13 10:40 AM

That show is going to be either THE show people talk about or the biggest bomb ever to hit the small screen. No halfway measures for this one.

Shifting gears, I think we all knew Dexter was not going to get any happily-ever-after, either in Argentina or anywhere else. Alive and miserable for the rest of his life, he has a lot of atoning to do. It reminded me of the conclusion of The Shield, where Mackey (Michael Chiklis) was stripped of everything of value in his life and doomed to live out a pointless existence with no hope of change. That's pretty much where Dexter ended up too. It was fitting.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 09/23/13 03:04 PM

I suppose it's better for Harrison to be raised by one killer than by two. But Hannah killed for profit, or for her own benefit in some way, and Dexter went after murderers the law didn't catch. I never quite understood Dexter's trusting Hannah.

And yes, indeed, that was a Shield ending, but with one difference. Mackey didn't choose that life for himself, but Dexter did. He made the ultimate sacrifice to protect the two remaining people he loved.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 09/23/13 05:49 PM

I didn't like the ending. Big Time. Dexter working as a logger...where? The American Northwest? That's about as far from Miami as you can get and still stay in the country. But his reason for his sacrifice is a phony, something about how he brings death to everyone close to him. Maybe the Trinity Killer would have chosen some victim other than Rita if he hadn't known Dexter was on to him, but that's the only death Dexter can kind of blame himself for. Deb was shot in the line of duty. Evelyn didn't listen to Dexter's warning about her psychopath son. Lumen was unharmed. Dexter was even trying to help the boy Zach. Dexter had always handled everything thrown at him, but to fake his own death so he wouldn't jinx Hannah and Harrison? Completely out of character.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 09/23/13 11:33 PM

Yes, it seemed more like a knee-jerk reaction than something he'd thought through. I knew Deb was going to die from her wound, because Jennifer Carpenter let it slip in an interview she gave last week. But her death contributes to a loose string the finale left dangling. With both the Morgans gone, the police would surely have started looking for Harrison. They thought he would be leaving with Dexter, unaware that he'd already left with Hannah. Even if the cops didn't think of Harrison right away, Jamie (Batista's sister who took care of him) would start screaming "Where is he?" If they checked the airports, they'd find a boy Harrison's age had left with a woman who fit Hannah's description and they'd figure out what had happened. Argentina was undoubtedly chosen because it does not have an extradition treaty with the US, so Hannah is probably safe so long as she never leaves the country. Probably. But there was no time to crowd all that into a one-hour finale; what was needed was a quick and dramatic sacrifice to give us the final shot of the series -- Dexter miserable, alone, with only his martyrdom to keep him company.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 09/24/13 07:38 AM

Still, it was better than the Burn Notice finale, which was so bad it isn't worth talking about. James Spader is in his element in The Blacklist, but I found myself thinking of Hannibal and Clarice a couple of times. Joss Whedon's new series starts tonight, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., on ABC.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 09/26/13 12:05 AM

Blacklist wasn't the WOW! I was expecting. It's a sleek, good-looking show, and nobody does contemptuous amusement better than Spader. But in addition to the echo of Hannibal and Clarice, the hour had other things we've seen before -- a gun battle and an explosion (only 20 minutes into the first episode), an endangered child, which wire to cut. The premise has a built-in limit, since that list can't be endless. I do so hope that Red is not Liz's father, since that's what everyone must be expecting even after just one episode.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 09/26/13 10:45 AM

A new Survivor started last week...and I didn't even notice!
Posted by: Mike

Re: Television 2013 - 09/26/13 02:27 PM

I did and I hate Gervase already.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 09/27/13 04:29 PM

Who is Gervase? I don't remember ever seeing him before.

I watched The Crazy Ones and wish I hadn't bothered. Bland, unfunny. Quite a comedown for Gellar, from slaying vampires to playing straight man to an over-the-hill comic.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 09/27/13 07:38 PM

Gervase was on the very first Survivor. He was lazy and wouldn't do any work. He said he was there for a vacation, not to work. He also said "Nothing is dumber than a woman, except maybe a cow." He has four illegitimate children, one of whom was born while he was away playing at Survivor. There's not a whole lot to admire about Gervase.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 09/28/13 06:16 PM

Did anyone watch Master Chef Junior? Those kids (all between 8 and 13 years of age) turned out the most marvelous-looking dishes. They knew how to plate and some of them used ingredients I've never heard of. I had no idea children could cook like that.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 09/29/13 11:07 AM

And they all knew how to pronounce those long foreign words. I wasn't sure I wanted to watch this show, but after seeing those kids perform one time, I wouldn't miss it now.

New TAR tonight.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 09/30/13 06:36 PM

TAR had its usual strenuous first leg, and already I'm wondering if any of those teams is going to win. Kind of a sorry bunch of racers.

A question for those of you who get DirecTV. Recently I've been getting two new channels, Pivot (which showed a Farscape marathon yesterday) and Audience (which shows 24 on Tuesdays without commercials). Since TV providers don't give anything away, I'm assuming that before long those two will be bundled with two or three junk channels and offered as a package for an additional fee. What I'd like to know is whether this is a local thing or if those two channels are being shown nationally. Audience is Channel 101 and Pivot is Channel 267.

On a more serious note, both NBC and CNN have abandoned projects about Hillary Clinton because the Republican National Committee voted to ban both networks from coverage of the 2016 presidential debates.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 10/01/13 07:53 AM

I don't know why they have to kick people out of the race for coming in last on a given leg. They don't kick runners out of a race for trailing at the end of the first lap (in fact, winning runners frequently do trail for a while, then win with a burst of speed. The same is true of horse races).
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 10/01/13 12:17 PM

So both CNN and NBC caved. Not really surprising that the Republicans resorted to blackmail, that's their style. But the fact that they can get away with it is disturbing.

We have Pivot and Audience here, so it's nation-wide.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 10/02/13 09:04 PM

It must be, because we have them here too.

I don't know what everyone else thinks, but I thought Ziva's exit was pretty lame.
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 10/02/13 11:28 PM

Yes, it was. That whole business about Ari was just a rabbit pulled out of a hat at the last minute to provide an excuse for Ziva to leave. Flimsy motivation, not at all convincing. Now Ziva is going to...find herself? Bleaghh.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 10/03/13 09:48 AM

Unshaven appears to be the currently fashionable look. Clean chins are almost never seen on the late night talk shows, except for the hosts (and Jimmy Fallon has grown a goatee at least once).
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 10/06/13 11:18 AM

Ha, Pete, you must have been reading some old posts. But yes, unshaven has been fashionable off and on since the 80s. Remember Miami Vice? Crockett and Tubbs, pastel suits, no socks, and always a stubble on their faces. That started it. 25 years is a long time for a fad to last...it's beginning to look permanent.
Posted by: David Dvorkin

Re: Television 2013 - 10/13/13 09:33 PM

I hate the stubble look. I keep waiting for it to disappear. It's beginning to look like a long wait.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 10/14/13 08:27 AM

I can take the stubble look, in moderation. I prefer shaved cheeks and neck, however (I can handle moustache and goatee). What I really hate is the long bush, a la the duck call guys.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 10/23/13 08:29 AM

Major Crimes will be returning Nov. 25th...that's the Monday of Thanksgiving week. The new episodes begin at the start of the holiday season? Not a good sign.
Posted by: Pete

Re: Television 2013 - 10/25/13 10:19 AM

I think TNT schedules their first runs at times that they won't be in competition with the network first runs.
Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 10/25/13 06:17 PM

That's probably it. TNT's new series, Mob City, is set to debut in December.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 12/11/13 09:54 AM

Well, we've now had two looks at Ziva David's replacement. What do you think?
Posted by: Barbara

Re: Television 2013 - 12/11/13 10:25 AM

Meh.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Television 2013 - 12/11/13 11:05 AM


Posted by: Lorna

Re: Television 2013 - 12/11/13 06:33 PM

Why, I think she was just as cute as cute can be. wink
Posted by: Christopher

Re: Television 2013 - 12/11/13 09:45 PM

Yeah, and that's the problem. That whole last episode was cute. Fornell was cute, Diane was cute, their squabbling was cute. The kid was cute, and even Gibbs was cute. But Bishop out-cuted them all. Granted, Ziva is a hard act to follow, but "cute" isn't the way to go.
Posted by: Rita

Re: Television 2013 - 12/12/13 11:04 AM

That's about what I thought too. It looked to me as if Bishop had been given McGee's personality from when he was the new kid on the team...slightly bumbling but eager, generally naïve but very knowledgeable in certain areas. Recycled plots are commonplace, but recycled characters?