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#1241 - 07/05/02 03:52 PM Re: Holland casting
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This reminds me of something unrelated to Holland, so check out "Actors' National Origins" in "Show Biz"

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#1242 - 07/05/02 05:38 PM Re: Holland casting
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No, he's not the offspring of someone at the US embassy:

"I don't know anything about you, I don't even know where you were born - I don't know what kind of life you lived before I met you."
"London."
"What?"
"I was born in London."
That surprised her. "You're British."
"I'm an American citizen."
Hm. "Your parents are American?"
"I don't know who my parents were."
Oh, good heavens. "Have you tried to find them?"
"No."
The way he said it made it clear the matter held no interest for him, speaking of them in the past tense as if they were dead.

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#1243 - 07/05/02 10:25 PM Re: Holland casting
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A naturalized citizen. I remember that part about his not knowing his parents, now that you quote it. Which book is that in?

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#1244 - 07/05/02 11:58 PM Re: Holland casting
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That's from Fare Play - chapter 28, page 181-182 in the Worldwide Mystery paperback. Earlier in the book, Marian notices that Holland pronounces lieutenant "lefftenant", i.e. with the British pronunciation.

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#1245 - 07/06/02 11:19 AM Re: Holland casting
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Yes, I meant the more recent Cold Comfort Farm, 5 or 6 years ago -- made for British TV but a US theatrical release. Eileen Atkins and Ian McKellen and Joanna Lumley were also in it, with Kate Beckinsale as the protagonist. Rufus Sewell is striking and handsome here as elsewhere but is physically substantial (which is perfect, because he looks at home working the farm, but when he utters his unlikely dream, you think "Yeah, he could be a movie star").

His big bid as American movie stardom was Dark City, a pre-Matrix everything-is-an-illusion sort of SF cult film. He had almost the only big role in that (Kiefer Sutherland and Jennifer Connelly were also in it).

He originated the role of Septimus in Stoppard's Arcadia in London; Billy Crudup (in his professional debut) created the same role in NY. Both actors were being touted as "the next big movie stars" for the next few years. Neither one has made it, but not I think through any personal lack -- they're just interested in other things as well.

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#1246 - 07/06/02 03:55 PM Re: Holland casting
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Now we're cookin'. I taped Dark City when it showed on cable, so I'll take another look soon-ish. But this time I'll pay more attention to Sewell from the neck down. (Mostly what I remember from that flick is those moving buildings -- marvelous.)

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#1247 - 07/09/02 02:17 PM Re: Holland casting
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The very first scene of Dark City shows Rufus Sewell climbing out of a bathtub and walking away from the camera nekkid as a jaybird. Jon, I didn't see anything at all wrong with his body. He didn't look stocky or too broad. Looks are no problem, but I thought his voice was a little light, and I don't think it was the role. Not much resonance there.

I liked this movie better on second viewing. I think I must have been half-asleep the first time I watched; I didn't even remember that William Hurt and Ian Richardson were in the cast.

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#1248 - 07/09/02 04:25 PM Re: Holland casting
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well, and I have to admit that Dark City certainly, erm, shows off Sewell's body to best advantage. Yes, objectively there's nothing stocky about his build, and I retract what I said as I recall this bit of evidence. There's still *something* about him for me (and I should reiterate that I like his acting very much -- great Fortinbras in Branagh's Hamlet for instance)... but clearly I'm on shaky personal-perception ground here, and I'll change the subject.

To another casting idea for Marian. You liked my idea of Lindsay Crouse, so here's another: Laurie Metcalf. She was one of the originals in the Steppenwolf Theater Company, and I often saw her onstage in Chicago, where she seemed like one of those actresses who so transformed herself in each role that she'd never make in movies or TV and probably wouldn't want to. Wrong again, Jon! She's built up quite a screen resume, and was even a TV favorite on a sitcom and won an Emmy for the role. My usual experience with her is to settle into my chair looking forward to seeing her again, and then get to the end and wonder "where was she?" and realize she had a big role all through and I missed her entirely. here are some of the things she's done:

         TV:
"Roseanne" -- played the grumpy sister (won Emmy)
"Norm" -- played Norm McDonald's officemate
         Movies:
Desperately Seeking Susan -- the suburban sister-in-law ("Take a Valium like a normal person!")
Making Mr. Right -- the needy coworker who finds herself on a date where she buys John Malkovich clothes
Internal Affairs -- Andy Garcia's lesbian partner
Pacific Heights -- the couple's lawyer
Leaving Las Vegas -- landlady
Toy Story (both) -- voice of the mother

That's just for starters. I've belatedly realized that she's who I pictured as Marian when reading the books, even though I didn't put a name to her at the time.

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#1249 - 07/09/02 11:11 PM Re: Holland casting
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Sewell has a light voice? Oh, that won't do. Holland must have a voice that commands attention, even when he's just saying "Pass the salt."

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#1250 - 07/09/02 11:49 PM Re: Holland casting
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Laurie Metcalf, umm. Jon, I'm still drawing a blank, just as I did when you've mentioned her before. I saw only a couple of episodes of Roseanne, and I've never watched Norm. But I did see all of the movies you listed...and I just plain don't remember her. IMDB didn't have her picture, but I found one elsewhere. It didn't help.

Of course, that isn't necessarily a drawback; Marian doesn't need to be high-profile as Holland does.

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