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#7762 - 01/11/14 03:20 PM Opera 8
Rita Offline


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"Brotherlein and "Sisterlein"???

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#7763 - 01/11/14 06:57 PM Re: Opera 8 [Re: Rita]
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Yup, that's what they sang. Actually, it's not a bad compromise since the literal translation of the German doesn't work.

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#7764 - 01/11/14 09:06 PM Re: Opera 8 [Re: Barbara]
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I didn't like the Orlofsky.

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#7766 - 01/12/14 12:54 PM Re: Opera 8 [Re: Rita]
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It's been a long time since I saw or even listened to Die Fledermaus, but I've always enjoyed it when it comes around. Last night I heard the first two acts from the Met, then had to go over (at 9pm British time) to the TV to keep up with the 3rd and 4th episodes of the second series of The Bridge.

Anyway, I seem to recall that when I've heard Fledermaus in English it's never been "Brotherlein" and "Sisterlein" but "Brother mine" and "Sister mine".

I thought the Orlofsky wasn't too bad (for a counter-tenor). Nice to hear Christopher Maltman, though his English accent sounded rather odd when speaking to Americans. Some of the jokes fell pretty flat, too. I was a bit dubious about the overture (rather heavy), but my ancient Clemens Krauss recording is still my favourite, though it doesn't have any spoken dialogue.

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#7769 - 01/12/14 02:03 PM Re: Opera 8 [Re: Andrew]
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Whoa...a Fledermaus with no spoken dialogue? How can that be? Or, wait, it's that one recording that just left the spoken parts out?

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#7779 - 01/16/14 11:36 AM Re: Opera 8 [Re: Rita]
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Surely, recordings have been made (of operas with spoken parts) of the music alone? That may have been a standard procedure in the days of 78 rpm recordings, I bet.

Parens added for clarity.


Edited by Pete (01/17/14 09:40 AM)
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#7780 - 01/16/14 12:32 PM Re: Opera 8 [Re: Pete]
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I hope you mean without the spoken parts. Yes, that's what I was asking about.

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#7783 - 01/17/14 01:54 PM Re: Opera 8 [Re: Rita]
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Sure, there are lots of recordings of operas-with-speaking that omitted the spoken portions. Magic Flute, for sure, but operettas as well. This pretty much stopped happening around the mid-1960s, I think.

Certainly it was the rule in the 78 RPM era, though there were interesting exceptions -- most notably a 1907 Fledermaus, which includes more dialogue than some recent recordings! I find that amazing.

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#7862 - 02/05/14 07:53 PM Re: Opera 8 [Re: Jon]
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Rusalka this Saturday. Anybody going?

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#7863 - 02/06/14 12:49 AM Re: Opera 8 [Re: Christopher]
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I am.

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